From: jrodman
Date: 02:07 on 13 Aug 2006
Subject: A simple hate for livejournal
Nothing impressive here, but, all the same:
I was writing my grand opus explaining to an interested non-unix user
all the hateful things about GNU Texinfo, the lack of manpages, botched
Debian manpages, incorrectly installed Debian Texinfo pages, idiocies of
the info tool, and so on, in response to a question he asked about my
post to this list. It was pretty good.
(Okay, I didn't say _all_ hateful things about those topics, but I
covered about 12 different awful things in there.)
While working on the text, adding subheadings, providing links and
references, and so forth, I would repeatedly use the provided
[Preview this post]
button, and livejournal would dutifully render the post according to its
html limitations, and so forth, allowing me to determine that the html I
was hand-entering was at least close to correct.
Only after previewing the post a good fourteen or so times, cleaning it
up iteratively, and after I went to post it, did it let me know,
helpfully.
"Sorry, LiveJournal comments have a limit of 4300 characters, your 8934
character post that we've been previewing for you without complaint for
the last 15 minutes will have to now be manually chopped into pieces by
you and a text editor and copy and paste."
Thanks.
-josh
(Oh, and before you point it out, yes, I know I'm asking for it by using
LiveJournal, but I'm also asking for it by using the web, and by using
a computer at all. Ever.)
From: David King Date: 04:43 on 19 Aug 2006 Subject: Re: A simple hate for livejournal > I was writing my grand opus explaining to an interested non-unix > user all the hateful things about GNU Texinfo [...] Only after > previewing the post a good fourteen or so times, cleaning it up > iteratively, and after I went to post it, did it let me know, > helpfully [...] "Sorry, LiveJournal comments have a limit of 4300 > characters [...] I was once writing an angry letter to my bank through their web interface (since they don't read mail, answer their phone, or read their regular email, instead instructing me to use their "web-based questions/comments system"), and after spending an hour spewing forth (mostly on-topic here, actually) frothing, angry, bile-filled raging hate about their online-banking system, I posted it to discover that my message was too large. "No matter," I say, "I can maybe use fewer words, and maybe leave out the rant about their small idle-time." So I hit "Back" in my browser and- the text was gone. You see, in order to make my keyboarding more convenient, their site included Javascript that would place my keyboard focus in their text edit box and remove all of the text that was previously there. My lovely rant all gone. On the up-side, I switched banks that week. Now I have a *new* bank's online software to hate.
From: Jarkko Hietaniemi Date: 10:00 on 19 Aug 2006 Subject: Re: A simple hate for livejournal jrodman@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > Nothing impressive here, but, all the same: > > I was writing my grand opus explaining to an interested non-unix user > all the hateful things about GNU Texinfo, the lack of manpages, botched > Debian manpages, incorrectly installed Debian Texinfo pages, idiocies of > the info tool, and so on, in response to a question he asked about my > post to this list. It was pretty good. That sounds like a very worthy piece of hate (can we see it somewhere?) I once was awestruck by some Linux fanboy trying vigorously (spittle and all) to explain to me all the goodness and beauty inherent in the info system.
From: sabrina downard Date: 17:22 on 19 Aug 2006 Subject: Re: A simple hate for livejournal > That sounds like a very worthy piece of hate (can we see it somewhere?) i second this Call for Hate! > I once was awestruck by some Linux fanboy trying vigorously (spittle and > all) to explain to me all the goodness and beauty inherent in the info > system. did you administer a beating? that would seem to be the only possible response. god, i hate info. --sabrina, who has been too busy living the life of a required-to-use-Outlook user lately, thus too petrified solid with hate to really express any, but i'm sure it's coming. here's how i know: i'm trying out GPG integration. hahahahahahaha, i'm such an optimistic fool...
From: Jarkko Hietaniemi Date: 11:59 on 20 Aug 2006 Subject: Re: A simple hate for livejournal sabrina downard wrote: >> That sounds like a very worthy piece of hate (can we see it somewhere?) > > i second this Call for Hate! > > >> I once was awestruck by some Linux fanboy trying vigorously (spittle and >> all) to explain to me all the goodness and beauty inherent in the info >> system. > > did you administer a beating? that would seem to be the only possible > response. god, i hate info. I may have administered eyedrops to his lunch at the cafeteria, but I of course deny everything. > --sabrina, who has been too busy living the life of a > required-to-use-Outlook user lately, thus too petrified solid with > hate to really express any, but i'm sure it's coming. here's how i > know: i'm trying out GPG integration. hahahahahahaha, i'm such an > optimistic fool... >
From: Joshua Rodman Date: 19:52 on 23 Aug 2006 Subject: Re: A simple hate for livejournal On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 12:00:13PM +0300, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: > jrodman@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > > I was writing my grand opus explaining to an interested non-unix user > > all the hateful things about GNU Texinfo, the lack of manpages, botched > > Debian manpages, incorrectly installed Debian Texinfo pages, idiocies of > > the info tool, and so on, in response to a question he asked about my > > post to this list. It was pretty good. > > That sounds like a very worthy piece of hate (can we see it somewhere?) On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 11:22:15AM -0500, sabrina downard wrote: > i second this Call for Hate! The (series of) comments are posted in a livejournal entry which is private, and mostly describes the idiocy in broad strokes instead of specifics. I'll give it a shot, maybe it the process will generate some good secondary hate. Jarkko again: > I once was awestruck by some Linux fanboy trying vigorously (spittle and > all) to explain to me all the goodness and beauty inherent in the info > system. As an unforgivable linux fanboy myself, I still cannot comprehend this concept. Is there some transformation of the precept about the fleas taking in their littler fleas which applies here? Something about like "No matter how taken you are with Stockholm, there are always those who will love the flatbread more." -josh
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